Yeah, my sloppily phrased comment was essentially to say that I don't think we are any more barbaric now than in the past, we just don't wan to appear that way, and I think the fact that BSG was willing to go there with their characterization was awesome. And, to be honest, my original response was half-way inspired by a comment elsewhere that implied that these shows would desensitize americans to torture and make it that much easier to do it. Part of me thinks that it might make it more acceptable to reveal that we do it by having it depicted on tv, but I don't think it will result in people being actually any more or less likely to perform torture. Oy...never mind. I don't think I'm being clear and I'm having a rough night, so this is just getting more muddled as I go. I think we're probably in agreement, but who the heck can say given my inability to communicate tonight. *shuts up*