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[oiran]

Squee! I love my silly show!


Chloe is Lois is Chloe is Lois!!!! I'm one of the group who always assumed she'd have to go down in bloody tatters to Teach Clark A Lesson, but...she's Lois! I sat through the commercials thinking of Lois storylines and beaming...

It's stupid, but at least it's internally consistent: you can try to kill anyone you want in Smallville, as potentially gruesomely as possible, but so long as your friends back you up in saying that it was all a mind-control mistake, you won't even get a ride in a squad car.

I liked the girlfighting. It was hysterical and even a little scary. AM is such a fun actress to watch. I so want to see her in a really good movie, sooner rather than later.

I loved Adam calling Lana on her princessy crap. Unfortunately, it didn't seem to really faze her, but at least he said it. Ian Somerhalder has a really, really crookedy head, and the awful way they've combed his hair doesn't help. It's like how they always shot Emanuelle Vaugier from the side with the larger eye to make it look really huge in comparison. Why do they want to make their pretty people look funny? Why not just use funny-looking people to start with? They're probably a lot cheaper.

I do like Lana with Adam so much more than I've liked her with anyone they've paired her with thus far.

Loved Molly's glasses. She was pretty except the end of her nose, which had about a hundred little fleshy facets, making it hard for me to look at any of the attractive things about her. I loved Lex sort of seducing her while stealing her data. But how would he know what he was looking for? No. I'm not going to ask that after all. It's Smallville!!!! Lex is being sexy! Nothing better than that, at least nothing they'll film and show to me. I do wonder, however, how Clark explained to Lex that he had to leave Molly's (swanky) apartment to hurry home and save Chloe. That's a huge hole in this ep, and it does bug me.

Overall, I loved this ep. Nice surprises, nice character development and growth...and they seem to be willing and able to develop Lex's "evill" in a subtle, realistic way. I am very happy.

Loved Chloe and Clark's interactions. All of them. Love Chloe.

I knew as soon as Chloe and Clark started talking to Lex about Sommerholt that Lex would be making a deal with Dr. Garner. It doesn't seem like a good relationship to base on threats, however, considering that he'll eventually have to allow Dr. G some access to his brain.

ETA: So sorry if I inadvertently spoiled anyone. I screwed up my tags, which only ever seems to happen when it actually matters a little bit. Fixed now. And I'm doing penance.

Comments

[pun.livejournal.com]

Ok, wait a minute, are we sure Chloe is Lois? Cause I figured it was just a joke to say she has no interest in journalism since we all know that Lois later becomes Clark's partner. No, I don't think Chloe is Lois, sorry.

[barely-bean.livejournal.com]

*nods* I agree with you Pun.

Honestly I'm not a fan of this. Of Chloe becoming Lois. Or Lois being Chloe's cousin. I don't want Lois to be a knockoff of Chloe. I want Lois to be Lois. And if she is Chloe's cousin-- well then I'm guessing she's gonna be a reporter when Chloe dies...and if Chloe's Lois, then it still changes what I view as the future Clark/Lois. I dunno. I'm having issues with this.

[echoskeleton.livejournal.com]

I haven't seen the episode yet (because life really hates me), but I tend to agree that, while Chloe may turn into Lois, I don't think it's a given yet. Mostly because they did say that Lois was Chloe's cousin, right? And isn't that something that has been semi-canon since... whenever? Not saying that it won't happen, or that it's not more likely after this episode. Just that this could easily be an anvil, or a red herring to throw us off our tracks.

Honestly, I find something vaguely... creepy about Chloe becoming Lois. If they do it right, I won't complain, but there seems to be some strange, quasi-misogynistic undertones here. *shrugs* It's just a little unsettling. But, like I said, if it's done properly, I'll be a happy camper.

[velvetglove.livejournal.com]

It kind of seems like cheating to smush the characters into a single person...but people have been saying all along that Chloe and Lois were alike. So far as I can remember, we've never had confirmation on the show that Chloe and Lois were related, although AlMiles said so in interviews.

I never watched that Lois & Clark show for a number of reasons--mainly because I found Dean Cain and Teri Hatcher unappealing and annoying, and I don't really remember movie Lois. I've never really cared about Lois. And I don't really care now. No that's not true. I do care if Chloe is Lois, because it gives me some story ideas that seem fun. But the idea doesn't have to be canon for me to write it--it just needs to seem plausible, and right now it does.

[pun.livejournal.com]

Exactly! I don't want Chloe to be Lois either. It just doesn't appeal to me. And I agree completely that Lois shouldn't be a Chloe knock off.

[velvetglove.livejournal.com]

I've never been a Superman fan (any other shows, or comics, etc.), so I'm curious if your aversion to a "knock-off" is based on some kind of media canon, or if it's simply more personal (which I could certainly understand). I only know Lois from what people on TWoP or LJ say...and, so far as I can tell, Chloe sounds like Lois, but blonde. Maybe that's why I have no problems with it.

I doubt TPTB would hesitate to mess with a future Clark/Lois reporting pairing. I even like the idea, since it makes Chloe's little love speech in Fever very prophetic.

I'm just all a-squee. I can't help it ;)

[barely-bean.livejournal.com]

I've never been a Superman fan (any other shows, or comics, etc.), so I'm curious if your aversion to a "knock-off" is based on some kind of media canon, or if it's simply more personal (which I could certainly understand). I only know Lois from what people on TWoP or LJ say...and, so far as I can tell, Chloe sounds like Lois, but blonde. Maybe that's why I have no problems with it.

I doubt TPTB would hesitate to mess with a future Clark/Lois reporting pairing. I even like the idea, since it makes Chloe's little love speech in Fever very prophetic.

I'm just all a-squee. I can't help it ;)

It probably is mostly personal. I mean, I love Lois as Chloe's cousin in fanfic, and I always love the Chloe becomes Lois fics too. It's...maybe it's because in Fanfic I'm Clex OTP because in this verse, that's where my heart is. But I don't know, I've always wanted Lois to stay out of this verse entirely because the Lois/Clark was this huge chunk of his future. She was the girl who would be his perfect match, and-- mind you, I'm not this huge Supes fan so I'm probably explaining this wrong-- Bex or Livia would be able to better comment on this--- but I didn't want all his feelings with Lois just basically rehashing his feelings for Chloe that he never got to act out back then. I like that Lois underestimates him when she first meets him, and she grows up to get to know him for who he is. I like that they balance each other out, and grow into each other, and giving her this background takes that away from me.

If she's Chloe, she already loves Clark. And if she's Chloe's cousin, it's just very oh you were my cousin's love interest back then and here I am just stepping into my cousin's life-- mind you, I'm not saying I don't think they can pull it off, it'll just take a readjustment on my part. I already do think of a lot of Supes established canon and SV canon don't go hand in hand anymore.

I'm not sure I've explained it adequately. I am all a-squee about the ep. God, Lex, every time I think I couldn't possibly love him more, he goes and proves me wrong. And I find myself totally excited about the future and even the DOOM! *bounces*

I love my show. I really need to make an icon that says that.

[velvetglove.livejournal.com]

Are we sure as in 100% certain? No.

Things that sway me, however:

• Chloe could have used a name pulled out of thin air--which she basically did--except she claimed it was her cousin, which implies a real Lois. Which is no surprise, I know - I don't think they've ever made the Lois-Chloe connection onscreen before, but they've been saying it in interviews for a year or so, right?


• Saying that a real Lois doesn't care about journalism is only a joke if Max knows Lois, and knows she's a journalist or journalism student.


• Chloe choosing that pseudonym is, of course, guaranteed to make anyone who likes Chloe and worries she'll get killed off squee with delight. It's a stupid move to make the Chloe-is-Lois idea canon (which they have just done) if they don't want to follow through with it in terms of keeping fans happy. Especially since TPTB have done a really good job of keeping the fangirls happy this season in every way except onscreen Clark/Lex macking.

They've fucked with a lot of stuff. If they make Adam into Bruce Wayne, as people are hoping, that's a serious twist of Bat canon and Supes canon. Apparently, Claire Foster was supposed to live long enough to be Supes' therapist at some point, which obviously isn't going to happen. So there's no reason to think Lois is sacred. I like Chloe--she's scratchy and abrasive and real, and AM is a great actress--and I do like the idea that she's Lois.

There are implications to the Chloe=Lois idea that really interest me. I was going to try to list them all, but maybe I'll write a story instead ;)

[pun.livejournal.com]

Well I'm all for stories.

I meant the "no interest in journalism" was a joke with the audience. Like Clark "not [being] the flying type", etc. A cheese anvil, if you will. But I will say this, it's possible Chloe made this cousin up completely, and it's also entirely possible that Chloe will need to go into hiding some time in the near futre with a change of hair, change of name, etc.

[velvetglove.livejournal.com]

Oh, well. Yeah, that's certainly possible ;)

egads

[sabershadowkat.livejournal.com]

If they make Adam into Bruce Wayne, as people are hoping, that's a serious twist of Bat canon and Supes canon

Wow, would that f-up any logical comic-canon timeline. Bruce Wayne didn't come back to the United States until he was 26, after spending all his time studying 'batstuff' overseas since he was 14. He picked up Robin when he was 27, and Dick was age 12 (not nine, dammit). At most, Bruce and Lex could've been at the same prep school (but only overseas), with a four year age difference minimum, if Lex and Bruce are able to know each other in the present in SV universe.

And yes, I have given this a lot of thought. It puts Dick and Clark closer to the same age in SV-verse, and it would be much much cooler if Adam was Dick Grayson.

Re: egads

[velvetglove.livejournal.com]

Wow. There are so many timelines for Batman, aren't there? I've been trying to research for a Batman-in-Smallville story and the ages I've seen are a little younger than what you're talking about, putting Clark and Bruce at more or less the same age, with Bruce probably a year older. It all makes my head hurt. But the timelines I've seen would make Adam about the right age if that's where they are headed. Really, I think this is just fan giddiness though, isn't it?

I ran across a reference to Bruce spending 6 weeks in the FBI at age 20 (which is 3 years younger than FBI's lower age limit), but I only saw that once, so I question it. I saw the same age for going overseas--14--but that he came back to be Batman at age 24. Do you have any links you particularly like for Batman info? Because I'm kind of frustrated, to say the least. I think my story timeline will probably stay more or less as-is, but now I just want to know.

Re: egads

[sabershadowkat.livejournal.com]

I used the DC Comics guide (http://www.dcuguide.com/Who/Batman_Bio.htm) plus information from DK publishers. They have Bruce going overseas at 14, starting in England and moving on from there, eventually ending up in Japan, and returning to the states 12 years later. I've verified the 12 years abroad in several places (like here (http://www.darkknight.ca/heroes/batman.html)), however, I have found his leaving age to be as young as twelve, which gives my information at +/-2. I have a few other sites that I can't get at, at the moment (stupid computer), but will add on to this post once I get them. (http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/078947865X/ref=sib_dp_pt/002-3992319-5784023#reader-page)

Re: egads

[velvetglove.livejournal.com]

Thanks so much. Any links you're willing to share are much appreciated. My interest in Bat comics has been long dormant, but it's returning.

I tend to think that, if anything, Adam is a reference to Adam West and possibly a jab at whoever nixed the Batman series. I am personally much more excited about Christian Bale playing Batman, and that's the one I picture...

Re: egads

[sabershadowkat.livejournal.com]

I like Christian Bale as a Y1 Bat, too. He plays creepy rich psychotics very well.


More links!
Connected with the earlier link to the Dark Knight page is more details (http://www.darkknight.ca/faq/comiclist.html) on ages. The person who runs this website probably has the best, most reliable information, because s/he references specific comic books. It's also one of the sites that lists age 14 as the time Bruce heads overseas, and how I calculated my information in my first post.

The DC Universe Calendar (http://members.shaw.ca/TheTimeTrust/calendar.htm)
Bruce's birthday is in Feb or April, depending on if you're using Earth 1 or Earth 2 calendar.

Batman year one (http://www.damianobrigo.it/darknight.htm#year one). Goes with the leaving the US at 12, but is gone for 18 years from Gotham (12 years overseas). However, according to a general review here (http://www.thekeeponline.com/reviews/bmanyr1.html), it is only twelve years that he's gone, but 18 years til he gets his 'revenge.'
This essay (http://www.class.uidaho.edu/narrative/comics/postmodern_batman.htm) concurs with my age 14 leaving, to England, and then onward, but it somewhat contridicts his return time, saying when he was "of age."

and a little Dick Grayson history here (http://www.sequentialtart.com/archive/aug01/art_0801_5.shtml), which throws his age in too.


(I'll have to memory these entries, because I found additional links I hadn't had before)

Re: egads

[sabershadowkat.livejournal.com]

erp, the original two links that I saw were messed up are:

The Dark Knight (http://www.darkknight.ca/dknight.html)

DK Publishing's Ultimate Guide to the Dark Knight (http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/078947865X/ref=sib_rdr_ex/103-1903282-1657436?%5Fencoding=UTF8&p=S005#reader-page) on amazon.com

[edgecity.livejournal.com]

Loved Molly's glasses. She was pretty except the end of her nose, which had about a hundred little fleshy facets, making it hard for me to look at any of the attractive things about her. I loved Lex sort of seducing her while stealing her data. But how would he know what he was looking for? No. I'm not going to ask that after all. It's Smallville!!!! Lex is being sexy! Nothing better than that, at least nothing they'll film and show to me.

Yes! The glasses were sexy and so was Lexy! *cough* Um, I mean Lex. He was wonderfully sexy in this episode and I wonder if, sometimes, he's being sexy for the sake of being sexy. Or to practice for being sexy with Clark :-)

[velvetglove.livejournal.com]

Yay, Lex! And yay! for Lex's bad taste in women, which he acknowledged himself, because it just means he might as well wait for Clark to get a clue instead of embroiling himself in a third dangerous liaison anytime soon.

[edgecity.livejournal.com]

he might as well wait for Clark to get a clue instead of embroiling himself in a third dangerous liaison anytime soon.

Third time's the charm... hopefully it wil be Clark ;-)

[mei-x.livejournal.com]

I loved all the Chloe-ness of this episode. And yeah, I squee at the idea that Chloe is Lois.

[velvetglove.livejournal.com]

I was really pleased, especially after the trailer last week made this look like a repeat of Magnetic. So much Chloe! Clark and Chloe being friends! I'm just so excited about the possibilities of Chloe being Lois that I'm kind of stupid!

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

I like Lana with Adam, too. I had been coming to like her (twisted) relationship with Whitney in first season, and by the end of second season I wanted to see her with *anyone* but Clark. Adam is... just fine. He is, in fact, intriguing. Deserves better than Lana, but hey, that's the way it goes.

You know one of the best things about this episode? Clark wasn't visibly pining over Lana.

If evil!Lex continues to be sexy!Lex, I have no complaints. So far he has just the right balance of niceness and sharp edge.

[velvetglove.livejournal.com]

Seeing Lana have chemistry with a boy is novel, to say the least ;) I agree that Adam deserves better, but if someone has to hold her hand, then at least it's not Clark ;)

And despite what Adam was saying, Clark looked more jealous of Lana than of Adam in the scenes with the three of them.

I'm fairly certain there's no other kind of Lex than Sexy. I mean, even when he's Stepford!Lex, he's still sexy.

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

I agree that Adam deserves better, but if someone has to hold her hand, then at least it's not Clark

Yup, that's the bottom line. Secretly my wish has been to see Lana get together with Jonathan.

Lex does any and all modes of 'sexy' so well!

[timian.livejournal.com]

Sorry to intrude, but I had to show off my icon and mention that I too yearn for this union, albeit not secretly. lol

Re:

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

Ooh, great icon!

So we'll just wait for the Lana/Jonathan thing to happen.

[kieyra.livejournal.com]

I'm hopping right on board the Chloe=Lois bandwagon.

Also? The Adam=Bruce Wayne bandwagon. Dead parents, weird abilities, enigmatic...

[velvetglove.livejournal.com]

Having just reread Dark Knight Returns, I have a hard time seeing pretty little Ian as Bruce, but I do like him on the show, and I like Adam with Lana, so if that's where they're headed, I won't throw a hissy fit. I just want someone to fix his hair. I actually reached for the screen a couple times...

[kieyra.livejournal.com]

I'm not familiar with the actor (Um, have I mentioned that prior to spring of 2002, I didn't watch television--none, nada--for ten years? G'heh), but his face looks like he was run over by a truck. I don't mean to be mean, he's just... disjointed.

[twigged.livejournal.com]

Ian S. was really hot on Young Americans, but he is not aging well. I'm interested to see how TW ages, because he's one of those guys that's so pretty, it could all go tragically wrong at any moment.

And Lana? You just destroyed your high school career, your business, your life. Except not! Have fun flirting with the cute new boy because weilding and axe in a crowded locker room has absolutely no repercussions for YOU, princess!

[velvetglove.livejournal.com]

That's a really cool HP-via-anime icon. It makes two things I find unsexy seem maybe sexy. But I still don't want to read HP fic. I'm just saying.

I watched only a matter of minutes of YA when it first aired...it was Hamilton and Jake before H knew J was actually a girl...and I didn't know J was actually a girl, but when I found out I was so annoyed at what I perceived as wimping out that I refused to watch any more. I've always had a degree of uncertainty about IS's looks...he's really exaggerated. His eyes are so BLUE, brows so THICK, cheeks so PINK, smirk so SMIRKY. And I seriously hate his hair.

TW, though? I think TW is going to just get sexier and sexier and there will be some sort of tipping point, after which someone (probably from LJ) will build a temple and we'll all offer to be blood sacrifices.

Attempted axe murder is okay in Smallville, so long as you say you're sorry.

[twigged.livejournal.com]

IS's eyebrows squick me most of anything about him.

Did you see my post re this icon earlier tonight? Go check out the art I linked. I've never felt lust for what is essentially a cartoon character before.

[twigged.livejournal.com]

Hey, do you know how these work? I'm about to impulse buy.

http://www.wacom.com/productinfo/index.cfm

[velvetglove.livejournal.com]

I've never used one...but I've wanted one for a long time. They're cheap now! Last time I priced them (it's been awhile) they were around $600 for a tiny one.

God. I want so much stuff it makes me kind of ill...

[twigged.livejournal.com]

I'm going to get this one, as it's further on sale, and kicks ass. And also comes with a cool extra brush that costs $99 on its own.

I shouldn't, considering I'm supposed to be paying off debt, not acquiring it, for the float deal (which is still very much on, btw, and I'm almost certainly going with River City Float unless you've come up with something better?), but I'm doing it anyway. Wheeee!

*will hate self in morning*

[nebt-het.livejournal.com]

re: Lex and Garner

someone on another journal mentioned that maybe Lex is actually pretending to get more info from the doctor...I kind of doubt it but it would be better than letting someone else mess around with his head